Haplogroup I2,I2a1, I2a2
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Post from iGENEA to 18.11.2009 12:11:49
You are correct, we do not know much about some groups, although they have been discovered some years ago.
But i guess there are some articles about P41.2 that contain at least some information.
In case of L69 we just have to wait, there probably are still to less members to get a reliable result when comparing their countries of origin and DNA-profile.
Roman C. Scholz
iGENEA
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Post from Marko to 17.11.2009 20:11:08
I am just curious how long do we know particular mutations(SNPs).
If i am not mistaken, P41.2 mutation was discovered(or added as a new mutation) in year 2002 and we still don't know much about it. There is no official description.
There is no reason to expect any credible official explanation soon of L69(=T) mutation which were found or added to a new mutation in 2009.
Post from Marko to 17.11.2009 19:11:43
I am looking at this page
http://www.genebase.com/tutorial/item.php?tuId=29
Mutations of I2a2.
P41.2/M359.2 mutation of were discovered in year 2002 if i am not mistaken and L69(=T) in january 2009
Post from iGENEA to 13.11.2009 12:11:15
Dear Marko,
There is still much discussion about this SNP. We only got 4 people in the I2a-Project at FTDNA and they are from the British Isles. It was supposed that L69 defines a more western european subclade of I2a2(M423) which is usually from the Balkans.
But you are from Croatia which shows that L69 is not only western european.
We do not know much about these two branches, it is not even clear, that these two really are two branches of I2a2(M423) because at least one person was tested positive for both of them!
Another problem is, that L69 is a volatile SNP, it also appears in other haplogroups.
Here you can always find the "official" haplotree:
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI09.html
It is also mentioned there, that its not yet clear in which relation P41.2 and L69.2 stay to each other.
Here you can find an older discussion about L69 with Ken Nordtvedt:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2009-04/1239659313
There also are discussions in several forums, like the dna-forums.com.
The best source of information for you probably is the I2a-Project at FTDNA.
Therefore and because the only members who are L69+ in this group are from the British Isles i highly recommend you to join this group.
The administrator or other group members maybe can provide more information and your test result would also help them researching this group.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx
Roman C. Scholz
iGENEA
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www.igenea.com
Post from eastara to 13.11.2009 10:11:15
Did you join the I2 group on Family Tree DNA?
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=yresults
They are trying to divide I2a2 (Dinaric) into Dinaric North and Dinaric South based not on SNP, but haplotypes.
Surprisingly, most Bulgarians and Greeks I2a are Dinaric North and have common ancestry with Ukranians and Poles, while most ex Yugoslavians are Dinaric South - see map.
Post from Marko to 12.11.2009 22:11:30
Haplogroup I2a2(M423) has a two branches:
a) I2a2a (P41.2/M359.2)
b) I2a2b (L69+)
Where can i find any description of mine L69+ ?
What do we know about does two branches so far?
Is there any official credibile report about does two branches of I2a2(M423) haplogroup?
Where to look for reports-speculations about those two branches. What about Ken Nordtvedt?
Post from iGENEA to 06.11.2009 19:11:16
Dear Marko,
As you have been tested positive for the defining SNP M423 you definitely belong to the haplogroup I2a2. Because of that, whatever subgroup you belong to, this subgroup has to be part of I2a2.
The same is true for the groups I(M258), I2(M438), I2a (P37.2) and I2a2b(L69).
Roman C. Scholz
iGENEA
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www.igenea.com
Post from marko to 06.11.2009 17:11:36
Hello, I am from Slovenia(also have relatives in Croatia) my STR tests shows that my haplogroup is I2a, after the Backbone SNP and Subclade tests my new haplogroup is I2a2b(L69). I didnt find discription of this L69 mutation.
Following mutations are marked as positive at my Subclade result:
P37.2
M438
M423
M258
L69=T
Can i definitely say that my haplogroup belongs to haplogroup I2a2(M423)(regarding to my positive all 4 mutations) or not (?), even without consider meaning of L69 mutation?